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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:43 pm

Nutty_Professor wrote:actually it is his decision, minimum wage is just the lowest a employer can pay, not a law that says its the highest a employer can pay. He could go above it and say I pay my staff a good wage so they don't have to count on tips.
He is not paying them less than minimum wage. He is paying what is legally required by law. It's up to the waitress to want to work there or not.

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:49 pm

also its up to the patrons whether or not to tip also.
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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:51 pm

Exactly. But he was to doing anything "wrong"

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:52 pm

just because its legal doesn't mean its right
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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:53 pm

LOL. Read what you just wrote.

If something is legal, then it IS the right thing to do.

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:55 pm

so its RIGHT to pay people less when they get tips for providing great service and expecting the customer to pay a certain amount of a tip, than a person that gets no tips?
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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:56 pm

Nutty_Professor wrote:so its RIGHT to pay people less?
Less than what?

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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:58 pm

Ask a waitress at the fishbowl or east sides if they would rather make the server minimum wage, or $12 hour with no tips!

It's no shocker which one they would choose! Lol

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:59 pm

ok let me explain it, the law states that waitresses can be only paid 8.90 a hour in ontario, thats less than the standard minimum wage of 10.25 a hour. so since thats legal, in your mind its right to pay them less.
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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:01 pm

In my mind i think the minimum wage should be equal, not less due to tips, the tips are for excellent service, and not coming out of the employers pocket. The employer should pay the same as any other employer.
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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:04 pm

So, again I say. That's not his decision, the province sets the wages.

Besides. Do you really think these servers are claiming their tips as income??

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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:07 pm

Nutty_Professor wrote:In my mind
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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:07 pm

again it is the employers decision to pay the minimum or offer a slightly higher wage, the government doesn't walk in an say mr.buisness owner, you have to pay them this wage no higher. the minimum wage is a set low wage not the end all wage, employers are free to choose to pay more, but most choose to pay the lowest allowed by law to maximize profits.
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Post by JohnW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:10 pm

Better than minimizing profits.

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:14 pm

a extra 45 bucks per shift for about 4 employees shouldn't kill a profit margin
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Post by JohnW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:15 pm

$45 per employee?

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:16 pm

no for 4 employees
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Post by JohnW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:18 pm

Where did you come up with that figure?

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:23 pm

10.25 - 8.90 = 1.35
1.35 x 4(staff) = 5.40
5.40 x 8 hours = 43.20(rounded up to 45 dollars)
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Post by JohnW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:30 pm

All you had to say was they should make the same min. wage but thanks.

In any case, what if there are 40 employees, over a year, plus employers share of EI and CPP and added Workers Comp costs and vacation pay?

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:38 pm

if a employer can pay 40 employees he/she should be able to adequately cover the added costs. and i have stated before they should make the same minimum wages as everyone else, the tips are a bonus paid by the customer to the wait staff that served them, not to help the employer pay his staff by letting him/her pay less than other employers do.
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Post by JohnW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:56 pm

Well, we don't know the finances of said businesses do we? Perhaps they can, perhaps the extra wages would be too much.


I think the idea is to help bridge the gap between minimum wage employees that traditionally get tips and those who do not. Fairness and what not.

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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:56 pm

Nutty_Professor wrote:if a employer can pay 40 employees he/she should be able to adequately cover the added costs. and i have stated before they should make the same minimum wages as everyone else, the tips are a bonus paid by the customer to the wait staff that served them, not to help the employer pay his staff by letting him/her pay less than other employers do.
And again, i ask. Do you think they claim their tips? Since you are saying they use that to "top up' there salary to where it should be.

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Post by Budgetman » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:10 pm

its the employees choice whether or not they claim it or not. some may some may not.
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Post by Kramer » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:32 pm

Actually it's against the law to not claim it. That's called evasion.

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